Editing User talk:Jean Abou Samra (section)

== This wiki has no templates ==

Would it be ok if I created some templates? And I am missing several AddOns, CharInsert would be nice for editing, SyntaxHighlight, Scribunto. I am running a rather private Lilypond Wiki in German for several years and have some experience with Wikis, [[User:Manuela|Manuela]] ([[User talk:Manuela|talk]]) 15:13, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

:Feel free to create all kinds of pages, including templates. However, I'd prefer if they were created as needed for specific pages (i.e., don't create templates "for the future" that aren't used on any pages). Also, I don't see much that could be factored between pages so what's your use case? In particular, please don't create templates similar [[wikipedia:Template:Em|<code><nowiki>{{em|...}}</nowiki></code> on Wikipedia]] that add friction to the editing process for a negligible payoff.
:I haven't installed the extensions you requested because:
:# I don't see any special characters that would be needed particularly often on this wiki specifically, and I'd rather not maintain a general list of special characters, this is the job of system-level input methods like Compose keys and character map apps IMHO.
:# It wouldn't make much sense to have syntax highlighting only for the few code snippets that use <code><nowiki><pre></nowiki></code>, as opposed to <code><nowiki><lilypond></nowiki></code>. However, if someone submits a change for adding syntax highlighting to the output of <code><nowiki><lilypond></nowiki></code> in the [https://gitlab.com/jeanas/LilyWiki extension] that defines this tag for the wiki, I'll be happy to review it.
:# Scribunto has security implications (e.g., the need to keep Lua updated), so I'd rather only install it if there is a compelling use case for that.
:[[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]] ([[User talk:Jean Abou Samra|talk]]) 21:10, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you for your answer. You have a point with security issues, SyntaxHighlight needs Scribunto. There is no special language support for Lilypond anyway, I use Latex, better than nothing. Your installation has to offer proc open, otherwise Scribunto is not working. I have not found a single provider which allows this.
::Maybe I am missing something in my preferences, when editing I do not see anything that supports editing, not even the option to insert links, maybe it's because I don't use the visual editor, I like "pure" editing as it is in Lilypond. CharInsert offers support for Wiki syntax, including tags like &lt;pre>, all combinations of {} and so on.
::Greetings from Austria, [[User:Manuela|Manuela]] ([[User talk:Manuela|talk]]) 03:17, 19 December 2025 (UTC)
:::[off-topic] Where in Austria?  Greetings from Kufstein :-) -- [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 05:15, 19 December 2025 (UTC)
::::Niederösterreich, nordöstlich von Wien (Bezirk Gänserndorf) [[User:Manuela|Manuela]] ([[User talk:Manuela|talk]]) 15:21, 19 December 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't think SyntaxHighlight needs Scribunto. It uses Pygments, which is a Python (not Lua) library (of which I actually am technically a maintainer, although I've been inactive lately by lack of time). It certainly needs something like <code>exec</code>/<code>proc_open</code>, but this wiki doesn't use a "managed" MediaWiki install (where the provider installs things for you, à la "Wordpress in one click"), it's on a VPS on which I have root access and administrate things myself, so I can install and configure anything (and <code>exec</code> is already being used to run LilyPond). The real problem is that the LilyPond code snippets are mostly added through a the special, non-standard parser tag <code><nowiki><lilypond></nowiki></code> and so the extension I wrote that defines this tag would need to support syntax highlighting.
:::Regarding the editor toolbar, it sounds like what you want is not CharInsert but [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiEditor WikiEditor], which I've just added. [[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]] ([[User talk:Jean Abou Samra|talk]]) 16:15, 19 December 2025 (UTC)
::::PS: I also meant to write that Pygments supports LilyPond. (I implemented this a few years ago.) [[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]] ([[User talk:Jean Abou Samra|talk]]) 16:26, 19 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::Apropos Pygments: I've submitted a [https://github.com/pygments/pygments/pull/2974 PR] to update LilyPond support some time ago. [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 17:38, 19 December 2025 (UTC)
::::Thank you for installing this extension, this is definitely an improvement. CharInsert is a different animal. Root access is of course best, but you have to do much administration. Usually root access is very expensive when you need a provider. A long time ago I have written a Lilypond extension myself on a home server in my local network.
::::Just in case you are asking who I am, I wrote LSR 1040, 1042, 1043, 1044 (when I remember right) and was involved in 1066 and 1067. [[User:Manuela|Manuela]] ([[User talk:Manuela|talk]]) 19:34, 19 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::I've discovered a potential reason for activating Scribunto: Right now, I'm using the <code>query</code> MediaWiki API to download snippets for <code>makelsr.pl</code>.  However, <code>query</code> doesn't expand templates.  This means that I have to call the <code>expandtemplates</code> API, sending the unexpanded page to the Wiki server to get an expanded version back.
:::::The Skribunto interface provides [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual#frame:preprocess <code>frame:preprocess</code>], which seems to unify the abovementioned two calls into a single one (I haven't tested it). Maybe this can be configured to not use Lua, in case this simplifies things. What do you think? -- [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 14:56, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::I don't see a problem with one extra API call per page to expand templates. Also, the function you link is a Lua API, for use in Lua modules running on the wiki, so I don't get how you want to use it outside. [[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]] ([[User talk:Jean Abou Samra|talk]]) 22:02, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::OK, <code>expandtemplates</code> it is then :-) -- [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 23:30, 1 January 2026 (UTC)