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	Finally, the fourth figure shows the same Debussy excerpt with an additional feature you may encounter: the pedal note is preceded by a small cautionary clef printed after the barline.		Finally, the fourth figure shows the same Debussy excerpt with an additional feature you may encounter: the pedal note is preceded by a small cautionary clef printed after the barline.

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	Finally, the fourth figure shows the same Debussy excerpt with an additional feature you may encounter: the pedal note is preceded by a small cautionary clef printed after the barline.		Finally, the fourth figure shows the same Debussy excerpt with an additional feature you may encounter: the pedal note is preceded by a small cautionary clef printed after the barline.

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In piano music, you may occasionally come across a staff in which a held (pedal) note is followed by a clef change and further polyphonic notation.

With a little bit of work involving clef settings, you can overcome this problematic situation.

In the first figure, we can see that a clef change in one voice messes with the pedal note in a lower voice; the tie appears to have changed voices.

You can create a “fake” treble clef which has the properties of a bass clef by overriding the following properties:

<code>\set Staff.clefGlyph = #"clefs.G"</code> - show a G clef

<code>\set Staff.clefPosition = #-2</code> - set the staff position two half spaces below centre line (i.e., on G)

<code>\set Staff.middleCPosition = #6</code> - set middle C to the same position as a bass clef

The second figure shows the solution as applied to the final bar of a Wolf lied. The pedal note E flat is followed by a treble clef and a high octave E flat. Since we are effectively still in the bass clef, we have to input the octave E flat as an octave G to produce the required output. Using <code>\tag</code> splits the musical layout and MIDI so you can use <code>\keepWithTag #'midi</code> in a MIDI <code>\score</code> block.

The third figure shows a more extended example from Debussy's ''L'Isle joyeuse'' in which the bass clef is faked.

Finally, the fourth figure shows the same Debussy excerpt with an additional feature you may encounter: the pedal note is preceded by a small cautionary clef printed after the barline.

<lilypond version="2.24.0" full>
%% http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=326

% Treble clef with properties of bass clef
fakeTrebleClef = {
\set Staff.clefGlyph = #"clefs.G"
\set Staff.clefPosition = #-2
\set Staff.middleCPosition = #6
}

% Bass clef with properties of treble clef
fakeBassClef = {
\set Staff.clefGlyph = #"clefs.F"
\set Staff.clefPosition = #2
\set Staff.middleCPosition = #-6
}

% Similar to above, but lower and positioned after barline
fakeBassClefShift = {
% Change default prefatory item order so that clef is printed after barline
\override Score.BreakAlignment.break-align-orders =
#(make-vector 3 '(span-bar
breathing-sign
staff-bar
clef
key
time-signature))
\set Staff.clefGlyph = #"clefs.F"
\set Staff.clefPosition = #-8
\set Staff.middleCPosition = #-6
}

\markup {
1. Without tweaking clef properties, output is nonsensical }
\score {
\new Staff \relative c {
\clef bass \voiceTwo
c2 ~
<<
{ c | }
\new Voice \relative c'' {
\clef treble \voiceOne
c8 c g' g |
}
>>
}
}

\markup {
2. Final bar of
\italic "Gesegnet sei, durch den die Welt entstund..."
from Wolf's \italic "Italienisches Liederbuch" }
\score {
\new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff \relative c' {
\key es \major
\override DynamicLineSpanner.padding = #2.5
<bes es g>8\ppp <bes es g>
<bes es g>[ <bes es g>] ~ <bes es g>2\fermata \bar "||"
}
\new Staff \relative c \keepWithTag #'layout {
\clef bass \key es \major
r8. \stemDown <es es,>16 <es es,>4 ~
<<
{ \voiceTwo <es es,>2 }
\new Voice {
% The faked clef and notes
\voiceOne \tag #'layout { \fakeTrebleClef <g g'>\fermata }
% The real notes for MIDI output
\tag #'midi { <es'' es'> }
}
>> \bar "|."
}
>>
}

\markup {
3. Bars 148 - 151 from Debussy's \italic "L'Isle joyeuse" }
\score {
\new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff \relative c' {
\time 3/8
\set subdivideBeams = ##t
\override TupletNumber.stencil = ##f
\override TupletBracket.stencil = ##f
\tieDotted
<<
{
\voiceOne
\tuplet 3/2 {
fis16( e d \repeat unfold 5 { c d e fis e d } c d e) }
}
\new Voice {
\voiceTwo
bes4. ~ |
bes |
bes ~ |
bes |
}
>>

<>^\markup {
4. As above, but with small clefs on pedal notes }
<<
{
\tuplet 3/2 {
fis'16( e d \repeat unfold 5 { c d e fis e d } c d e) }
}
\new Voice {
\voiceTwo
bes4. ~ |
bes |
bes ~ |
bes |
}
>>
}

\new Staff \relative c'' \keepWithTag #'layout {
\time 3/8
<<
{
\voiceOne
bes8\rest \clef treble as16( c as8)
as16( c as8) as16( c)
bes( d bes8. d16)
bes8.( d16 bes8)
}
\new Voice {
\voiceTwo
\tag #'layout {
\fakeBassClef
a,4. ~ |
a ~ |
a ~ |
a |
}
\tag #'midi {
c,, ~ |
c ~ |
c ~ |
c |
}
}
>>
% Make clefs visible for each bar, except at end of system
\override Staff.Clef.break-visibility = #end-of-line-invisible
<<
{
\voiceOne
bes'8\rest \clef treble as16( c as8)
as16( c as8) as16( c)
bes( d bes8. d16)
bes8.( d16 bes8)
}
\new Voice {
\voiceTwo
\tag #'layout {
\fakeBassClef
a,4. ~ |
% Shrink clef to small size
\override Staff.Clef.font-size = #-5
% We want to prevent clef size changing,
% otherwise first clef is smaller
\override Staff.Clef.full-size-change = ##t
% The faked bass clef, printed after the barline and next
% to the pedal note
\fakeBassClefShift
a ~ |
% Because we have overridden break-visibility,
% the cautionary clef is also displayed here...
a ~ |
% ...and here
a |
% Return to default clef properties
\revert Score.BreakAlignment.break-align-orders
\revert Staff.Clef.font-size
\revert Staff.Clef.full-size-change
}
\tag #'midi {
c,, ~ |
c ~ |
c ~ |
c |
}
}
>>
}
>>

\layout {
\context {
\Score
\remove "Bar_number_engraver"
}
}
}

\paper {
indent = 0
tagline = ##f
}
</lilypond>

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Combining pedal notes with clef changes - Revision history

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Lemzwerg at 22:50, 21 November 2025

Jean Abou Samra: Replace version="2.24.0" with version="2.24" now that the LilyWiki extension supports auto-selecting the latest release in a stable series

Jean Abou Samra: Import snippet from LSR