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To get nice snippet headings in the documentation, we often use non-letter stuff like opening and closing quotes in Wiki page titles. However, as I've found out recently, this severely hampers searching. For example, the snippet [[Using \arpeggioBracket to make divisi more visible]] cannot be immediately found by entering “Using arpeggioBracket” (i.e., without the backslash) into the search field.

I now wonder whether the Wiki can be configured to ignore ~~quotes~~ and the like in the search. If this is not possible, I have to add redirections for all articles with such characters in its name. It's not a big deal since it can be done programmatically, however, not needing this would be a better solution. -- [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 13:55, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

I now wonder whether the Wiki can be configured to ignore quote characters and the like in the search. If this is not possible, I have to add redirections for all articles with such characters in its name. It's not a big deal since it can be done programmatically, however, not needing this would be a better solution. -- [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 13:55, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

:AFAIU the autocompletion just matches by title prefix (to be clear, this is not about the search results page you get if you press Enter, which is much more complete). I think it's not too bad, not sure if there's any way to change it. [[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]] ([[User talk:Jean Abou Samra|talk]]) 14:13, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

::OK, thanks. What do you think of installing the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CirrusSearch Cirrus search extension]? It seems that Wikimedia is using this by default, and it comes with fuzzy search support, AFAICS. -- [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 14:47, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

:::It looks like there is no opensearch package in Fedora, and honestly I'm not too keen on setting up a tool as large and complex as MediaWiki itself requiring its own systemd services and networks ports and so on if it's only for the sake of this autocompletion… [[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]] ([[User talk:Jean Abou Samra|talk]]) 18:20, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

== More fonts for the Wiki ==

Jean,

please have a look at the snippet [[Changing the default text font family]]: as can be seen, some font shapes for DejaVu Mono are missing. Is it possible to get them added to the server that runs the Wiki?

BTW, the same holds for the [[UTF-8]] snippet, where Japanese is missing.

-- [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 15:39, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

:Fixed. [[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]] ([[User talk:Jean Abou Samra|talk]]) 18:34, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks, but are you sure that the CJK font is working correctly? I tried to modify the [[UTF-8]] snippet to trigger a re-rendering, but I still can't see any Japanese... -- [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 20:44, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

:::Oops, indeed. But I don't understand why. On the server, <code>-dshow-available-fonts</code> does list "Noto Serif CJK JP". And curiously, if I remove all font settings and compile the code with different versions, it starts working between 2.25.12 and 2.25.13. [[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]] ([[User talk:Jean Abou Samra|talk]]) 23:49, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

::::Ah, I forgot that Google added Font Variation (VF) versions of the CJK fonts, and the various GNU/Linux distros eagerly took them to make the font bundles much smaller. Older LilyPond versions cannot reject these fonts correctly.

::::For me it works with 2.24.4 if you use the font <code>[https://github.com/notofonts/noto-cjk/blob/main/Serif/OTF/Japanese/NotoSerifCJKjp-Regular.otf NotoSerifCJKjp-Regular.otf]</code> (probably also installing the [https://github.com/notofonts/noto-cjk/blob/main/Serif/OTF/Japanese/NotoSerifCJKjp-Bold.otf bold version] for completeness), and this font is found first. -- [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 04:24, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

:::::Thanks, I've added these fonts on the server as a workaround. The snippet now displays correctly. [[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]] ([[User talk:Jean Abou Samra|talk]]) 09:13, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

::::::Great, thanks! -- [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 10:50, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

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 To get nice snippet headings in the documentation, we often use non-letter stuff like opening and closing quotes in Wiki page titles.  However, as I've found out recently, this severely hampers searching.  For example, the snippet [[Using \arpeggioBracket to make divisi more visible]] cannot be immediately found by entering “Using arpeggioBracket” (i.e., without the backslash) into the search field.
-I now wonder whether the Wiki can be configured to ignore quotes and the like in the search.  If this is not possible, I have to add redirections for all articles with such characters in its name.  It's not a big deal since it can be done programmatically, however, not needing this would be a better solution. -- [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 13:55, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
+I now wonder whether the Wiki can be configured to ignore quote characters and the like in the search.  If this is not possible, I have to add redirections for all articles with such characters in its name.  It's not a big deal since it can be done programmatically, however, not needing this would be a better solution. -- [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 13:55, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
+:AFAIU the autocompletion just matches by title prefix (to be clear, this is not about the search results page you get if you press Enter, which is much more complete). I think it's not too bad, not sure if there's any way to change it. [[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]] ([[User talk:Jean Abou Samra|talk]]) 14:13, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
+::OK, thanks.  What do you think of installing the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CirrusSearch Cirrus search extension]?  It seems that Wikimedia is using this by default, and it comes with fuzzy search support, AFAICS. -- [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 14:47, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
+:::It looks like there is no opensearch package in Fedora, and honestly I'm not too keen on setting up a tool as large and complex as MediaWiki itself requiring its own systemd services and networks ports and so on if it's only for the sake of this autocompletion… [[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]] ([[User talk:Jean Abou Samra|talk]]) 18:20, 12 December 2025 (UTC)
+== More fonts for the Wiki ==
+Jean,
+please have a look at the snippet [[Changing the default text font family]]: as can be seen, some font shapes for DejaVu Mono are missing.  Is it possible to get them added to the server that runs the Wiki?
+BTW, the same holds for the [[UTF-8]] snippet, where Japanese is missing.
+-- [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 15:39, 12 December 2025 (UTC)
+:Fixed. [[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]] ([[User talk:Jean Abou Samra|talk]]) 18:34, 12 December 2025 (UTC)
+::Thanks, but are you sure that the CJK font is working correctly?  I tried to modify the [[UTF-8]] snippet to trigger a re-rendering, but I still can't see any Japanese... -- [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 20:44, 12 December 2025 (UTC)
+:::Oops, indeed. But I don't understand why. On the server, <code>-dshow-available-fonts</code> does list "Noto Serif CJK JP". And curiously, if I remove all font settings and compile the code with different versions, it starts working between 2.25.12 and 2.25.13. [[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]] ([[User talk:Jean Abou Samra|talk]]) 23:49, 12 December 2025 (UTC)
+::::Ah, I forgot that Google added Font Variation (VF) versions of the CJK fonts, and the various GNU/Linux distros eagerly took them to make the font bundles much smaller.  Older LilyPond versions cannot reject these fonts correctly.
+::::For me it works with 2.24.4 if you use the font <code>[https://github.com/notofonts/noto-cjk/blob/main/Serif/OTF/Japanese/NotoSerifCJKjp-Regular.otf NotoSerifCJKjp-Regular.otf]</code> (probably also installing the [https://github.com/notofonts/noto-cjk/blob/main/Serif/OTF/Japanese/NotoSerifCJKjp-Bold.otf bold version] for completeness), and this font is found first. -- [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 04:24, 13 December 2025 (UTC)
+:::::Thanks, I've added these fonts on the server as a workaround. The snippet now displays correctly. [[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]] ([[User talk:Jean Abou Samra|talk]]) 09:13, 13 December 2025 (UTC)
+::::::Great, thanks! -- [[User:Lemzwerg|Lemzwerg]] ([[User talk:Lemzwerg|talk]]) 10:50, 13 December 2025 (UTC)